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Search for best k in k-means, tried to follow help from Ingo

tonyboy9tonyboy9 Member Posts: 85 Contributor II
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·      ·         IngoRM Posts: 1,750  RM Founder

February 2013


in the "Samples" repository delivered together with RapidMiner you can find an example for creating the desired plot:


It uses a parameter iteration for the number of clusters (k) and a Log operator for collecting the values for DB-Index (DB) and the average within cluster distance (W). The process log can then be inspected as a table or immediately plotted. I recommend the plot type "Scatter Multiple" with "k" on the x-axis and both "DB" and "W" on the y-axis. In the settings at the bottom you could even activate lines between the points simplifying the detection of the elbow.                                                                                                                   

I leave it to you to determine if 3, 4, or 5 clusters should be used in this case ;-)

Screen shot 1: I tried to build the process suggested by Ingo.

Can anyone out there help me with Ingo's suggestion.

Or provide another way to get to k.

Thank you for your time.


Screen shot 2, I tried to execute the process:




Best Answer

  • BalazsBaranyBalazsBarany Administrator, Moderator, Employee, RapidMiner Certified Analyst, RapidMiner Certified Expert Posts: 612   Unicorn
    Solution Accepted

    the sample processes are meant to be taken as a template, not as a ready-to-use subprocess that you use as a blackbox. 

    Open the sample process, save it into your repository with a new name, and use your data there. 

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