# "Miscellaneous Issues Related to Clustering"

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Hi Everybody,

Since im neither mathematician nor a computer scientist the answer to the following question might be quite simple but I'm still a little bit confused about the Clustering algorithms in RM:

A) Is it normal behaviour of the

Is

C) As far as I understand the Kmeans algorithm should be capable of producing clusters of different cardinality. However, in my datasets the output clusters differ only slightly in their cardinality. Size of the largest cluster at most 5 or 6 times the size of the smallest one. Is this more likely to be a characteristic of the dataset or an artefact of the algorithm?

D) Using the

E) Are there performance vector in order to evaluate the

F) Is there any particular reason why the

Best

Norbert

Since im neither mathematician nor a computer scientist the answer to the following question might be quite simple but I'm still a little bit confused about the Clustering algorithms in RM:

A) Is it normal behaviour of the

*Kmeans*algorithm that it needs much more time (at least 10x) if the "*add characterization*" button is switched on?Is

*DBscan*the only density based algorithm currently implemented in RM?C) As far as I understand the Kmeans algorithm should be capable of producing clusters of different cardinality. However, in my datasets the output clusters differ only slightly in their cardinality. Size of the largest cluster at most 5 or 6 times the size of the smallest one. Is this more likely to be a characteristic of the dataset or an artefact of the algorithm?

D) Using the

*ClusterCentroidEvaluator*, the output indicates negative average distances? Is it possible? Or just ignore the sign?E) Are there performance vector in order to evaluate the

**pairwaise**similarity / overlap between clusters produced by*kmeans*? Can I manipulate the output of*kmeans*in a way that the*ClusterDensityEvaluator*and the*ItemDistributionEvaluator*accept it as an input?F) Is there any particular reason why the

**Ward**method is not implemented as clustering algorithm in**hierarchical cluster**models? (it is still quite often used in the publications in my discipline)Best

Norbert

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1,751RM FounderVery similar to DBScan and also in some sense density based is the SupportVectorClustering (or SVClustering?).

There is actually no reason why clusters of different cardinality should be preferred. Imagine you have two groups (same cardinality) in a data space with only one dimension where all points of one group have value -1 in this dimension and all points of the other have 1 in the same dimension. The inner cluster distances are 0 for each group and the inter cluster distances are 2 for both groups. If k is set to 2, of course, each group will build a cluster. Same cardinality.

Let's now say that the first group has 99 points and the second one only 1 point. And again it will result in 2 clusters (cardinality of 99 and 1 respectively) for the same reasons. So as you can see, there is no reason at all for preferring clusters with / without similar cluster cardinalities.

I hope you did get the point.

Since all fitness criteria in RapidMiner are maximized and the distance should of course be minimized, we simply calculate -1 * distance in order to mirror the optimization direction.

I am not too deep into clustering myself but since KMeans produces non-overlapping clusters I would not really now how to calculate overlap. About the pairwise similarity: As far as I remember it was shown by Hastie / Tibshirani and / or Friedman that optimizing the pairwise similarity between the clusters is equivalent to the average distances to the cluster centroids. And this should be available.

About the other two questions: I have no idea right now. Anyone else?

Very simple: no one did it yet / asked for it yet / paid for it yet / ... So you are the first

Cheers,

Ingo

12Contributor IIThank you Ingo for your informative reply.

Just some add ons for clarificaction. Does this also mean that if the output doesn't show any characteristics for some clusters (happened to me)

it can not find any good discriminating features and thresholds?

Best

Norbert

1,751RM FounderCheers,

Ingo